diumenge, 2 de febrer del 2014

Issue 4.1: Piaget's Debate

This Issue was worked by groups doing a debate about a certain aspect of Piaget's theory, my workgroup, composed by Marta Bou, Júlia Cuenca, Maria Freixas, Zoë Van Dyk and myself, uploaded that essay about our opinion:


THE CONSTRUCTION OF KNOWLEDGE ACCORDING TO PIAGET

1. Knowledge is never a copy of the reality: it is an assimilation or interpretation.
The empiricists movement say that the knowledge is a copy or reality and that children learn by copying objects. But children don’t just ‘copy’ objects; they put their own interpretation of objects when they have to draw it. For example: Piaget does an experiment with a child of around 3 years old. It consists on asking the kid to copy a triangle on a paper. In fact when the child copies triangle she draw it as a square with attached points. This is her own interpretation of the triangle that she sees.

2. The operational structures have a substantial function in the construction of knowledge.
Piaget doesn’t believe that children are born with skills, like Chomsky based on the appriorist/ innatist approach. He thinks that our learning abilities and skills are not in our nature, but we learn them from direct experiences during our whole life. For example, mathematics: it took centuries for humans to develop mathematics, so we can say that the mathematic skills are not just in our nature when we are born. Again, you can see this in another Piaget’s experiment: in this one children are asked about if a rope keeps having the same length when you change the shape that is doing. While doing it we saw that young children doesn’t understand that the length doesn’t change when you put the rope it in a different shape. This result, supports the theory that children aren’t born with this knowledge (neither knowledge in general), but it comes with experience. So, operational structure, our experience, had a substantial function in construction of our knowledge.

3. The knowledge construction follows a sequential line.
According to Piaget operational structures are sequential. There are four stages in children’s development:

1.    Sensorimotor intelligence (0 - 2 years old). In this stage the child doesn’t have language development; they only repeat the sound of some words without pronouncing any word.
During this stage the kid is going to make an evolution on what he looks at; that means that at the beginning of the stage the kid is going to look at something that is near him and attracts his attention (has light, it makes a sound…) because if its not near him or doesn’t attract his attention he is not going to look at it or even go near the object.
At the end of the stage the kid is going to look at something he likes even it’s far away from him, he would do things (stand up in a chair) in order to arrive to the object.        
2.    Pre-operational stage (2 – 6 years old). In this stage it appears the first representation with language, the kids will be able to make questions and talk with others. At the beginning of the stage the kids are very egocentric and during the stage they will change a little bit their minds and they will be less egocentric. 
The kid can manipulate objects with some difficulties.
3.    Concrete operational stage (6 – 12 years old). The kid can manipulate objects correctly without any difficulty; even can make sequences with different objects. In this stage the kid will be able to make logic operations. They can not make any hypothesis before trying something.   
4.    Formal operational stage (12 – 14 years old). The kid reason about hypothesis and objects. In this stage the kid can think about the future; in his process of reasoning the kid is able to combine abstract ideas with symbolic thought.

This stages are sequential because a child has to go through the first to get to the next and so on and every child goes through all of these stages with no exception. The proof for this is that when children are tested on the same age and similar environment, they mostly give the same responses to experiments, which contributes to the idea that they are in the same stage of development.

For example, Piaget did an experiment in which he tested children’s sense of volume at different ages. In this experiment we can see that children of 4 years old have no sense of volume and difference in volume. They think in an uni-dimensional way (when it’s the same high, they think it’s the same volume). A child of 5 years old starts understanding that there is a difference in volume, and that apart from the how high is the object they start comparing if one is thicker and one is thinner. They start knowing that high is not the same as volume but still hesitating a lot (changing stages). At 6 years old child has a beginning of measurement but still has quantitative problems.  At the age of 10 years old they can measure but still make mistakes. At the age of 12, they can cut the volume into slices and measure and multiply correctly.


4. The knowledge epistemology constitutes a relevant contribution to Psychology, such as the fact of being able to observe how knowledge is constructed allows us to better understand its nature.
There are a lot of important lessons to learn from this for the psychology; Psychology means to trace its formation, so, for example, it’s very interesting to learn about these striking facts surrounding creativity, the number of spontaneous constructions by children and the regularity and sequence of the operational stages. And as an epistemological lesson, seeing how knowledge is constructed, we understand its nature better.

We can understand a child nature better knowing how knowledge is constructed. We can see this, for example, in the experiment of Piaget where he investigates the construction of seriation. In this experiment children are asked to put some sticks in order from smaller to the bigger. When children are younger (3 - 5 years old), they just make two groups (little and big). Children of around 5 or 6 years old can make more differences in the size, but
they don’t have any plan or can’t explain how they do it because they do it by trial and error. When children are older (9 years old), they have a plan and structure and they can explain how they achieve the result. They can also make logical consequences about the seriation (how many bigger and smaller). According to Piaget, structure is what the child knows about the action that is doing and what he does not know but we supposed and thinks about it. The child doesn’t have its own idea about the theory but in observation we can see that it knows what to do.

5. Limitations of the theory of Piaget
A part of knowing a theory we believe it is important to know its limitations.
So now we are going to explain some of the limitations that we have found about Piaget’s theory:

- Underestimates the abilities of children. Piaget doesn’t give any possibility to a child to be more able than the other kids.
- Fixed steps. Piaget’s theory has four fixed steps that every child it’s supposed to pass through them, but not all the kids are the same and probably some kids pass through different steps than the ones that Piaget said. 
- Does not take into account the role of culture and social context. Piaget’s theory only focus its attention in the child, but a child doesn’t live alone; we live in a society and we are in continuous contact with people that can influence in our development and knowledge.

To end up with the work we will like to put the link of two videos about Piaget’s theory in order to make the ideas explained through this work clearer:




The debate begins when a group called "Piagetes" replied us:

We are "Piagetes" (Marta Barbado, Alba Lueiro, Elena González and Mireia Ortega) and we consider that you have written a good explanation and it is well structured, givinggood reasons and remarking interesting ideas such as children aren’t born with this knowledge (neither knowledge in general), but it comes with experience. But we believe it is too extensive and it may have been better if you had linked the answers of the questions, as a text commentary, instead of answering each question one by one. Also, you could remark one important idea for you and focused your text on it with some justifications, such as the videos you had put. We also think that these visual material makes clearer the ideas you have explained. Besides that, you have explained well Piaget’s work, using a clear vocabulary that facilitates its comprehension. To conclude, we would like to ask you one question.

Piaget thinks that our learning abilities and skills are not in our nature, but we learn them from direct experiences during our whole life. Do you completely agree this idea from Piaget? or maybe you think that we also obtain skills and abilities are acquired since we born, as Chomsky?

Our answer was: 

First of all we would like you to thank you for your comment.  
  
We thought that structuring the text in 5 parts was easier to understand than putting it as a text commentary. Probably because we have worked on the text we see it really clear, but if you see the text for the first time, it is difficult to understand.
We also have realised that probably is a little bit extensive and it is difficult to maintain the attention on the text.

We also would like to thank you for the contribution of a new author.
We have searched the theory of Chomsky and we have found that he says that the child at birth has innate characteristics and from there develops language through stimuli.
  
We agree that children have some innate mental internal schema, because there is a part of the learning of the language that is influenced by the environment around the child, one’s experience, interaction with others… But there is another part of the learning of the language that is thanks to the innate mental internal schema that children have when they born.
  
So in conclusion, we agree with some things from both authors.
  
The flemish and company.

A few time later the Smiths wrote us saying:

Hello, we are The Smiths (Carla Cano, Xavier Casabayó, Sergi Compte, Raquel García) and we think that it's very clear that you have worked hard on it. As the other group have said before, we also think that it's a bit long but it's very well structured, so this helps to do a proper lecture and have a good understanding of the reading.

After the reading we have been thinking about the limitations that you mentioned of the Piaget's theory and we agree with all of them except with the following sentence you did: "Piaget doesn’t give any possibility to a child to be more able than the other kids". We would like to know how you arrived to this statement

Thanks.

And our answer was: 

We would like to thank you The Smiths for reading our work recognising our hard work on it. Also we really appreciate that you say that our work is clear and well structured.

We are pleased to explain you how we arrive to this statement.

The idea of underestimation of the abilities of children is directly related with the idea of the fixed steps. As we said in our work, Piaget’s theory has four fixed steps that every child it’s supposed to pass through them. We also said that all kids are not the same so some kids might pass through different steps.

Having said that, we think that Piaget’s theory takes into account tasks that depend on the language skills of the child and usually leaves out the educational and socio-emotional development factors. That means that a child is influenced by external factors and this can vary his educational process and his abilities. Piaget with his theory limits the abilities of all kids because he establishes four fixed steps with fixed characteristics in each one, without taking into account that a child can acquire the abilities earlier or later.      

Moreover, we search for a psychologist called Lev Vygotsky that had an hypothesis called Zone of Proximal Development. Vygotsky encourages kids to learn alone and at the same time to search for help. This encouragement is good for kids because every child is considered as an individual in contact with his social environment that can develop some abilities later or earlier; and not as an individual with fixed steps and fixed characteristics.

With all this information we arrived to a conclusion; every child is different and is mainly due to the interaction that he establishes with his social environment.

So, depending on the child and the social context in which the child is in contact, will develop for example more or less cognitive abilities and also he will develop them earlier or later. That is why we think that Piaget with his fixed steps doesn’t allow kids to progress in their learning process and in the development of their abilities because everything is fixed in the steps, so the kids can’t develop their abilities quicker than the years Piaget establishes. In the other hand we have got Vygotsky that allows kids development in a free way taking into account his possibilities and his social context.

We hope we have explained ourselves in a good way,

The flemish and company.


My personal opinion about this activity is that it was a very good way to make us think and argumentate our opinions all the time, it was not just about reading a text, watching some videos and writting an essay but it was also albout defending it, finding out answer for other group's questions and at the same time enriching your ideas with their aportations. I enjoyed this kind of work.

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